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	<title>Comments on: Hot Checks: Lesson Learned&#8230;The Hard Way</title>
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		<title>By: Kristy</title>
		<link>http://masteryourcard.com/blog/2009/02/08/hot-checks-lesson-learnedthe-hard-way/comment-page-1/#comment-23684</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 05:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ kosmo - I personally think that basic finance is much more useful than trigonometry, but that&#039;s just me. The credit union I work for is working on setting up a class within the local high schools, but we&#039;re not getting a lot of interest from the board of education. They take the stance that it&#039;s the parent&#039;s responsibility to teach kids about finance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ kosmo &#8211; I personally think that basic finance is much more useful than trigonometry, but that&#8217;s just me. The credit union I work for is working on setting up a class within the local high schools, but we&#8217;re not getting a lot of interest from the board of education. They take the stance that it&#8217;s the parent&#8217;s responsibility to teach kids about finance.</p>
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		<title>By: kosmo @ The Casual Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>kosmo @ The Casual Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in favor of making a personal finance class a mandatory high school subject :)

Nothing overly complex, but a high school graduate should be able to balance a checkbook and fill out a 1040EZ when they graduate. Surely balancing a checkbook is as important as trigonometry ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in favor of making a personal finance class a mandatory high school subject :)</p>
<p>Nothing overly complex, but a high school graduate should be able to balance a checkbook and fill out a 1040EZ when they graduate. Surely balancing a checkbook is as important as trigonometry &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kristy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 05:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jace - Yes, I&#039;m aware of that and that&#039;s what I said. It does vary per institution - some will accept a letter, some will just monitor you, and some will have the second-chance checking.

As far as removing the file, while it&#039;s true it can be done, it isn&#039;t done often at all. Most banks want to keep you on that list to let other banks know you have a history of account abuse. I always advise people to double-check if they were told it was done. That may not have actually been the case. But, it can be done, as you said, with the specific verbiage from the bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jace &#8211; Yes, I&#8217;m aware of that and that&#8217;s what I said. It does vary per institution &#8211; some will accept a letter, some will just monitor you, and some will have the second-chance checking.</p>
<p>As far as removing the file, while it&#8217;s true it can be done, it isn&#8217;t done often at all. Most banks want to keep you on that list to let other banks know you have a history of account abuse. I always advise people to double-check if they were told it was done. That may not have actually been the case. But, it can be done, as you said, with the specific verbiage from the bank.</p>
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		<title>By: Jace</title>
		<link>http://masteryourcard.com/blog/2009/02/08/hot-checks-lesson-learnedthe-hard-way/comment-page-1/#comment-18529</link>
		<dc:creator>Jace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 05:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Kristy - I&#039;m sure it&#039;s up to the individual bank but in my situation my new bank out here in CA called me and let me know that my name popped up on some alert report from ChexSystems from my old bank in NY and that I had to take care of the debt and have the NY bank fax them a letter stating it was taken care of.  As far as having records removed, it&#039;s always negotiable; just as it is on your credit reports.  If you have the reporting bank fax a letter to Chex Systems requesting that the record be &quot;deleted&quot; (specific verbiage), they will remove it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Kristy &#8211; I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s up to the individual bank but in my situation my new bank out here in CA called me and let me know that my name popped up on some alert report from ChexSystems from my old bank in NY and that I had to take care of the debt and have the NY bank fax them a letter stating it was taken care of.  As far as having records removed, it&#8217;s always negotiable; just as it is on your credit reports.  If you have the reporting bank fax a letter to Chex Systems requesting that the record be &#8220;deleted&#8221; (specific verbiage), they will remove it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristy</title>
		<link>http://masteryourcard.com/blog/2009/02/08/hot-checks-lesson-learnedthe-hard-way/comment-page-1/#comment-18518</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 04:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ prozacula - I would disagree with you on checks being more obvious than credit cards to an 18 year old...from personal experience. You&#039;re assuming because perhaps it was to you. However, other people have different levels of financial education and it really comes down to what they are taught and the level of help they receive when they open their first account.

@ FB - Unfortunately, there&#039;s a lot we take for granted in finance and I often find myself wondering why people don&#039;t know things. When I&#039;m dealing with someone asking my what I deem as pretty obvious questions, I step back and remember this story. I bet the personal banker helping me thought it was pretty obvious what was going on, but they never actually explained it to me. I didn&#039;t know until I was told.

@ Slackerjo - I hate checks, too! I very rarely write them these days.

@ 444 - They can really sucker punch college kids sometimes. Although, USAA is a great company and if I could do business with them, I totally would.

@ Steven - Exactly! That&#039;s a great parallel!

@ Jace - Yes and no. In my case, I hadn&#039;t been reported yet. It takes a little bit of time before they report you to either Chexsystems or Telecheck. I&#039;ll probably be covering this in detail in an upcoming post, so I won&#039;t go into it here, but the banks do not remove you from Chexsystems once an item is paid. They will update the records to reflect the balance has been paid, but you still show up for five years - at which point you fall off their records. And some banks may not close out your accounts if you pop up on the list after the fact, but will monitor you. Other banks may offer the second-chance checking which allows you to open an account despite being on Chexsystems.

@ Debtfree2009 - That&#039;s great! There are some of us out there in the land of banking that actually have our customer&#039;s best interests at heart. We genuinely want to do what&#039;s right for the customer and not what&#039;s an easy sale for us. I&#039;m glad to read that the banker took her time to explain things to your son. I&#039;m also willing to bet, though that you&#039;ve passed on some financial lessons over the years, so you probably made her job a little easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ prozacula &#8211; I would disagree with you on checks being more obvious than credit cards to an 18 year old&#8230;from personal experience. You&#8217;re assuming because perhaps it was to you. However, other people have different levels of financial education and it really comes down to what they are taught and the level of help they receive when they open their first account.</p>
<p>@ FB &#8211; Unfortunately, there&#8217;s a lot we take for granted in finance and I often find myself wondering why people don&#8217;t know things. When I&#8217;m dealing with someone asking my what I deem as pretty obvious questions, I step back and remember this story. I bet the personal banker helping me thought it was pretty obvious what was going on, but they never actually explained it to me. I didn&#8217;t know until I was told.</p>
<p>@ Slackerjo &#8211; I hate checks, too! I very rarely write them these days.</p>
<p>@ 444 &#8211; They can really sucker punch college kids sometimes. Although, USAA is a great company and if I could do business with them, I totally would.</p>
<p>@ Steven &#8211; Exactly! That&#8217;s a great parallel!</p>
<p>@ Jace &#8211; Yes and no. In my case, I hadn&#8217;t been reported yet. It takes a little bit of time before they report you to either Chexsystems or Telecheck. I&#8217;ll probably be covering this in detail in an upcoming post, so I won&#8217;t go into it here, but the banks do not remove you from Chexsystems once an item is paid. They will update the records to reflect the balance has been paid, but you still show up for five years &#8211; at which point you fall off their records. And some banks may not close out your accounts if you pop up on the list after the fact, but will monitor you. Other banks may offer the second-chance checking which allows you to open an account despite being on Chexsystems.</p>
<p>@ Debtfree2009 &#8211; That&#8217;s great! There are some of us out there in the land of banking that actually have our customer&#8217;s best interests at heart. We genuinely want to do what&#8217;s right for the customer and not what&#8217;s an easy sale for us. I&#8217;m glad to read that the banker took her time to explain things to your son. I&#8217;m also willing to bet, though that you&#8217;ve passed on some financial lessons over the years, so you probably made her job a little easier.</p>
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		<title>By: Debtfree2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debtfree2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 02:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a teenage son and he decided he wanted to use the bank near the house instead of the credit union that we use.  I will say that the lady who opened his account for him was fantastic.  She explained everything in detail.  Helped him get setup online.  Listened to him about how he planned to use the checking and savings accounts and made sure he got the accounts that were best for college students ( no ATM fees even at other banks).  I made a point of making sure the bank president knew how great she was.  Since then my son has several friends who have opened their accounts at this bank.  I would tell you the name but it is a small hometown bank.  Too bad everyone couldn&#039;t have this experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a teenage son and he decided he wanted to use the bank near the house instead of the credit union that we use.  I will say that the lady who opened his account for him was fantastic.  She explained everything in detail.  Helped him get setup online.  Listened to him about how he planned to use the checking and savings accounts and made sure he got the accounts that were best for college students ( no ATM fees even at other banks).  I made a point of making sure the bank president knew how great she was.  Since then my son has several friends who have opened their accounts at this bank.  I would tell you the name but it is a small hometown bank.  Too bad everyone couldn&#8217;t have this experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Jace</title>
		<link>http://masteryourcard.com/blog/2009/02/08/hot-checks-lesson-learnedthe-hard-way/comment-page-1/#comment-18462</link>
		<dc:creator>Jace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 22:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another tidbit new bankers often don&#039;t know; if you owe a bank money and decide to do as the author did and just open another bank account somewhere else, if they report you to Chex Systems (the inter-bank reporting agency) other banks WILL close your open accounts and blacklist you from opening new accounts at pretty much any bank in the US for 5 years or until you settle your debt with the reporting bank.  This happened to a friend of mine and happened to me for 1-day (I got the notice, paid the balance, had the bank fax a letter to Chex Systems to remove the record, etc).

Lessons learned the hard way for most of us.  Hopefully financial education in the future will prepare kids properly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another tidbit new bankers often don&#8217;t know; if you owe a bank money and decide to do as the author did and just open another bank account somewhere else, if they report you to Chex Systems (the inter-bank reporting agency) other banks WILL close your open accounts and blacklist you from opening new accounts at pretty much any bank in the US for 5 years or until you settle your debt with the reporting bank.  This happened to a friend of mine and happened to me for 1-day (I got the notice, paid the balance, had the bank fax a letter to Chex Systems to remove the record, etc).</p>
<p>Lessons learned the hard way for most of us.  Hopefully financial education in the future will prepare kids properly.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 20:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of the story of the little-old-lady who bought a new car, then a year later had to get the tires replaced. The mechanic looked at the tires, and determined she was driving on them with way too little air in them.

He asked her, &quot;Maam - didn&#039;t you ever put air in these ties?&quot;

She said, &quot;What do you mean? Didn&#039;t they come with air in them when I bought them?!?!&quot;

You can&#039;t presume everyone has the same understanding of reality!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of the story of the little-old-lady who bought a new car, then a year later had to get the tires replaced. The mechanic looked at the tires, and determined she was driving on them with way too little air in them.</p>
<p>He asked her, &#8220;Maam &#8211; didn&#8217;t you ever put air in these ties?&#8221;</p>
<p>She said, &#8220;What do you mean? Didn&#8217;t they come with air in them when I bought them?!?!&#8221;</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t presume everyone has the same understanding of reality!</p>
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		<title>By: 444</title>
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		<dc:creator>444</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 15:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We were all financially ignorant at some point in the past.  I was just remembering how in college, I had no earthly idea whatsoever what the tuition and fees bill meant and how financial aid, grants, loans, etc. applied to those, what a loan even was (I had the basic idea but just signed on the dotted line where people told me to sign - thankfully, they were not large loans and I later also didn&#039;t understand the $50 payment tickets and sent in several hundreds at a time instead till those suckers were paid very quickly.)

I understood bank accounts pretty well because I only had savings accounts and they&#039;re hard to misunderstand, but I was given a $2,500 USAA credit card upon graduating college (USAA just offered it to me) and believe it or not, as an intelligent 22-year-old person, I had no real understanding of what a credit card even was.  At first I didn&#039;t even use it, I was so confused by it.  I didn&#039;t know there was such thing as borrowing money, I think.  I also thought that there was no such thing as not paying something when it was due - I must have believed people went to prison immediately or something like that if they missed any payment.  Later I understood how credit cards worked just enough to royally screw up that card, and another they graciously gave me after that, and only years later did they take a chance on me again.  This time I understand it all to well and they will not be sorry they gave me a third chance.  Building up good credit now that I understand it on an expert level is one of my major goals. Sometimes years are needed to truly &quot;get&quot; finances, even when we&#039;re intelligent and otherwise capable adults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We were all financially ignorant at some point in the past.  I was just remembering how in college, I had no earthly idea whatsoever what the tuition and fees bill meant and how financial aid, grants, loans, etc. applied to those, what a loan even was (I had the basic idea but just signed on the dotted line where people told me to sign &#8211; thankfully, they were not large loans and I later also didn&#8217;t understand the $50 payment tickets and sent in several hundreds at a time instead till those suckers were paid very quickly.)</p>
<p>I understood bank accounts pretty well because I only had savings accounts and they&#8217;re hard to misunderstand, but I was given a $2,500 USAA credit card upon graduating college (USAA just offered it to me) and believe it or not, as an intelligent 22-year-old person, I had no real understanding of what a credit card even was.  At first I didn&#8217;t even use it, I was so confused by it.  I didn&#8217;t know there was such thing as borrowing money, I think.  I also thought that there was no such thing as not paying something when it was due &#8211; I must have believed people went to prison immediately or something like that if they missed any payment.  Later I understood how credit cards worked just enough to royally screw up that card, and another they graciously gave me after that, and only years later did they take a chance on me again.  This time I understand it all to well and they will not be sorry they gave me a third chance.  Building up good credit now that I understand it on an expert level is one of my major goals. Sometimes years are needed to truly &#8220;get&#8221; finances, even when we&#8217;re intelligent and otherwise capable adults.</p>
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		<title>By: Slackerjo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slackerjo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 13:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate checks. I worked in billing for years. The opportunity for errors with checks are too high. You can bounce them, you can forget to sign them, they get lost in the mail, a billing agent can type the wrong info into the computer when paying a bill, you can forgot to add one to your register. Nothing good comes from writing a check.

Online banking and auto pay are the way to go.  Even when I made $22K a year, I could still do auto pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate checks. I worked in billing for years. The opportunity for errors with checks are too high. You can bounce them, you can forget to sign them, they get lost in the mail, a billing agent can type the wrong info into the computer when paying a bill, you can forgot to add one to your register. Nothing good comes from writing a check.</p>
<p>Online banking and auto pay are the way to go.  Even when I made $22K a year, I could still do auto pay.</p>
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