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		<title>By: Reader Question: Is It A Good Idea To Get A 401k Loan To Pay Off Debt? &#124; Bible Money Matters</title>
		<link>http://masteryourcard.com/blog/2008/07/21/401k-credit-and-debit-cards/comment-page-1/#comment-8618</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader Question: Is It A Good Idea To Get A 401k Loan To Pay Off Debt? &#124; Bible Money Matters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 401k debit cards: a bad idea? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kristy</title>
		<link>http://masteryourcard.com/blog/2008/07/21/401k-credit-and-debit-cards/comment-page-1/#comment-8517</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ jacqui

I wasn&#039;t on any soapbox, just expressing my opinion on the matter as it did relate to me. My company was questioning whether we wanted it or not, I say not. If you don&#039;t agree, that&#039;s fine. However, as my job makes me an expert in these sorts of things, I don&#039;t have a problem sharing my opinion as it relates to others. I&#039;m not telling you what you can or can&#039;t do, nor do I presume that my words should be taken as such. Your comment, though, suggests you didn&#039;t read the post in it&#039;s entirety. But, if you&#039;d rather blow all of your retirement money now and work until you&#039;re into your 60s and 70s, who am I to dissuade you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ jacqui</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t on any soapbox, just expressing my opinion on the matter as it did relate to me. My company was questioning whether we wanted it or not, I say not. If you don&#8217;t agree, that&#8217;s fine. However, as my job makes me an expert in these sorts of things, I don&#8217;t have a problem sharing my opinion as it relates to others. I&#8217;m not telling you what you can or can&#8217;t do, nor do I presume that my words should be taken as such. Your comment, though, suggests you didn&#8217;t read the post in it&#8217;s entirety. But, if you&#8217;d rather blow all of your retirement money now and work until you&#8217;re into your 60s and 70s, who am I to dissuade you?</p>
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		<title>By: jacqui</title>
		<link>http://masteryourcard.com/blog/2008/07/21/401k-credit-and-debit-cards/comment-page-1/#comment-8468</link>
		<dc:creator>jacqui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 23:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who are you to tell me what I can or cannot do with MY money!  Get on a different soap box, one that is yours personally!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who are you to tell me what I can or cannot do with MY money!  Get on a different soap box, one that is yours personally!</p>
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		<title>By: Kristy</title>
		<link>http://masteryourcard.com/blog/2008/07/21/401k-credit-and-debit-cards/comment-page-1/#comment-3828</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Justin,

My understanding of the program was that the interest is paid back to the company. I&#039;ll look into it more to be sure, because it could go directly back to your employer like a regular 401(k) loan does. However, either way, that interest doesn&#039;t go back to you. To my knowledge there is no such loan process that allows you to borrow from your 401(k) and pay interest to yourself. But, if anyone else knows of one, please share!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Justin,</p>
<p>My understanding of the program was that the interest is paid back to the company. I&#8217;ll look into it more to be sure, because it could go directly back to your employer like a regular 401(k) loan does. However, either way, that interest doesn&#8217;t go back to you. To my knowledge there is no such loan process that allows you to borrow from your 401(k) and pay interest to yourself. But, if anyone else knows of one, please share!</p>
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		<title>By: justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me see if I understand this right. I basically get a credit card by another company, and they loan me up to whats in my 401k or whatever I choose. Then I have to pay it back to that other company at a 2.9% interest rate? Or is it like it deducts the money out of my 401k and I am paying myself back with interest? If it is the 1st option, paying someone else back at interest, is there anyways to borrow out of a 401k and pay myself back with interest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me see if I understand this right. I basically get a credit card by another company, and they loan me up to whats in my 401k or whatever I choose. Then I have to pay it back to that other company at a 2.9% interest rate? Or is it like it deducts the money out of my 401k and I am paying myself back with interest? If it is the 1st option, paying someone else back at interest, is there anyways to borrow out of a 401k and pay myself back with interest?</p>
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		<title>By: Kristy</title>
		<link>http://masteryourcard.com/blog/2008/07/21/401k-credit-and-debit-cards/comment-page-1/#comment-3815</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not suggesting that you shouldn&#039;t have access to your money at all. I think you&#039;ve totally misunderstood my post. What I don&#039;t approve of is giving people credit cards to access it anytime they feel like it. Retirement money is meant simply for that, retirement. It&#039;s not there so that you can skip on over to the local electronic store and buy that big screen TV you&#039;ve been eying. If, as a last resort, you need to dip into your 401(k) to cover some debt, then fine. You have every right to do so as that is your money. However, giving people credit cards to access the account is basically giving them access to the entire account and as a nation in debt and tapped on home equities - because of credit cards - it doesn&#039;t seem like the smartest decision to allow those same people to have credit card access to their 401(k). 

Not only that, but let&#039;s consider the alternative where companies say it&#039;s a good idea to give it to their employees and everyone gets a card. What happens in a couple of years when people have depleted their accounts? Your scenario presupposes that people will take responsibility for their actions, when in reality most people don&#039;t. Don&#039;t believe me? Take a look at the current situation. Yes, the lenders are just as responsible as the consumers for giving out the loans, but consumers do their fair share of the blame game when they should have known that getting the loan would have been more than they could handle. It&#039;s just a fact of life, it&#039;s easier to blame someone else. Now, before you get all worked up over that statement, I&#039;m not suggesting that this applies to everyone. Even still, I don&#039;t think credit cards attached to a 401(k) is a good idea, even for a responsible person. You need cash from your 401(k), then do it the old-fashioned way.

And just to clarify, by using the credit card, you agree to the terms and conditions which is to say, you agree to a 401(k) loan. It&#039;s prime plus 2.9% on the repayment - so you still make out better with the 7% loan you mentioned.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not suggesting that you shouldn&#8217;t have access to your money at all. I think you&#8217;ve totally misunderstood my post. What I don&#8217;t approve of is giving people credit cards to access it anytime they feel like it. Retirement money is meant simply for that, retirement. It&#8217;s not there so that you can skip on over to the local electronic store and buy that big screen TV you&#8217;ve been eying. If, as a last resort, you need to dip into your 401(k) to cover some debt, then fine. You have every right to do so as that is your money. However, giving people credit cards to access the account is basically giving them access to the entire account and as a nation in debt and tapped on home equities &#8211; because of credit cards &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t seem like the smartest decision to allow those same people to have credit card access to their 401(k). </p>
<p>Not only that, but let&#8217;s consider the alternative where companies say it&#8217;s a good idea to give it to their employees and everyone gets a card. What happens in a couple of years when people have depleted their accounts? Your scenario presupposes that people will take responsibility for their actions, when in reality most people don&#8217;t. Don&#8217;t believe me? Take a look at the current situation. Yes, the lenders are just as responsible as the consumers for giving out the loans, but consumers do their fair share of the blame game when they should have known that getting the loan would have been more than they could handle. It&#8217;s just a fact of life, it&#8217;s easier to blame someone else. Now, before you get all worked up over that statement, I&#8217;m not suggesting that this applies to everyone. Even still, I don&#8217;t think credit cards attached to a 401(k) is a good idea, even for a responsible person. You need cash from your 401(k), then do it the old-fashioned way.</p>
<p>And just to clarify, by using the credit card, you agree to the terms and conditions which is to say, you agree to a 401(k) loan. It&#8217;s prime plus 2.9% on the repayment &#8211; so you still make out better with the 7% loan you mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Simer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Simer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there is the potential for people to abuse it, but I think you&#039;re being over the top in your condemnation for it. What you&#039;re saying boils down to this: &quot;I don&#039;t trust people to manage their own money, so I vote that we make it as difficult as possible for to take actions that could potentially screw up their money, even if it infringes on the ability of the responsible to fully utilize what they&#039;ve earned.&quot;

It&#039;s *my* money, dag-nabbit. If I want to pull money out of my retirement account, that&#039;s my business, and not yours or anyone else&#039;s. If I do the wrong thing and screw it up, I cry. If I want to do the right thing, but people who think they know more about my needs and abilities want to keep me from getting to my own assets, then we&#039;re going to be having words shortly. In my opinion, anything that puts more control in the hands of the rightful holders of the asset is a good thing.

Some people are going to be idiots and fritter away their retirement accounts. I&#039;m not going to be one of those idiots, but it might be a better alternative than a 7% loan if I&#039;m going through unemployment, my savings (6 months) have run out, and I know that I&#039;m committed to balancing it back out when I get back on my feet. Why is someone trying to tell me that my retirement account is not something I should have control over?

If it was proposed that savings be mandatory and controlled for every individual by a board of smart folks, would you be for it? I mean, if those shmucks can&#039;t be responsible, we&#039;ll MAKE them be responsible, because the experts know what&#039;s best for each of us, right? Right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is the potential for people to abuse it, but I think you&#8217;re being over the top in your condemnation for it. What you&#8217;re saying boils down to this: &#8220;I don&#8217;t trust people to manage their own money, so I vote that we make it as difficult as possible for to take actions that could potentially screw up their money, even if it infringes on the ability of the responsible to fully utilize what they&#8217;ve earned.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s *my* money, dag-nabbit. If I want to pull money out of my retirement account, that&#8217;s my business, and not yours or anyone else&#8217;s. If I do the wrong thing and screw it up, I cry. If I want to do the right thing, but people who think they know more about my needs and abilities want to keep me from getting to my own assets, then we&#8217;re going to be having words shortly. In my opinion, anything that puts more control in the hands of the rightful holders of the asset is a good thing.</p>
<p>Some people are going to be idiots and fritter away their retirement accounts. I&#8217;m not going to be one of those idiots, but it might be a better alternative than a 7% loan if I&#8217;m going through unemployment, my savings (6 months) have run out, and I know that I&#8217;m committed to balancing it back out when I get back on my feet. Why is someone trying to tell me that my retirement account is not something I should have control over?</p>
<p>If it was proposed that savings be mandatory and controlled for every individual by a board of smart folks, would you be for it? I mean, if those shmucks can&#8217;t be responsible, we&#8217;ll MAKE them be responsible, because the experts know what&#8217;s best for each of us, right? Right?</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley @ Wide Open Wallet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashley @ Wide Open Wallet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve heard of this before and I agree with you, it&#039;s terrible idea. UG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard of this before and I agree with you, it&#8217;s terrible idea. UG.</p>
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