FDIC and NCUA Revisited
The fall of IndyMac Bank makes the sixth bank this year to go under. People are rightfully concerned about their money and I’ve gotten an influx of questions from members about protecting their money. So, let’s revisit how to protect your money with financial institutions.
First and foremost, if your bank or credit union is not FDIC or NCUA insured, dump them. You’re not protected and if they go belly up, you will probably lose your money. FDIC insurance covers banks and NCUA insurance covers credit unions.
Now, there’s an important distinction that needs to be made here. I had a member come in today wanting to pull all of her money from the credit union because a bank told her that credit unions were no good since they weren’t FDIC insured. That was a pretty underhanded tactic for the bank to use because, technically, we’re not FDIC insured and most people are more familiar with FDIC. HOWEVER, we are NCUA insured, which is arguably a stronger fund anyway.
There are three main reasons that NCUA is typically a stronger fund than FDIC.
1.) Credit unions contribute more than the minimum required to the fund.
2.) Credit unions have not had to dip into the fund for almost forty years – banks have dipped into the FDIC fund 6 times this year already.
3.) Banks will often shortchange their contributions to the fund when working on acquisitions or mergers.
The reason credit unions haven’t had to dip into their funds is because when a credit union reaches the point of closing its doors, other credit unions in the area will adopt them into their charters so that it’s not a “closure” per se. It becomes an acquisition of the failing credit union.
But, the point of this post isn’t which is better than the other. The point is, both insurances serve their purpose and they’re important to consumers. If you’re not at an institution that is covered by one of these two, you need to be.
Both FDIC and NCUA cover individual accounts up to $100,000 and retirement accounts up to $250,000. Now, there are different ways that your financial institution can style your accounts which can increase the protection. For a more detailed breakdown of these stylings, check out our post on insurance coverage.
However, you can also ensure that you’re protected by dividing your accounts up amongst different financial institutions. For example, if you have $350,000 and you’re not interested in trying to keep up with account styles and what not, you can divide that money up between four different financial institutions to cover yourself. The likelihood that all four will collapse at the same time is slim to none, and if it ever did happen, we’d have some serious problems on our hands. But, just like you would diversify your investment portfolio to help alleviate some risk, by spreading money out between several banks, you avoid losing money that isn’t insured.
Something else to consider is what your financial institution is invested in. For instance, if their portfolio is primarily in subprime lending – as a huge portion of IndyMac’s was, then it’s probably a good idea to move your money. Lenders invested in this particular piece of the pie are struggling, plain and simple. But, overall, you don’t want a financial institution that’s dealing heavily in one thing as it’s risky. Do some research and find an institution with a well-balanced portfolio.
In terms of big banks Chase, Bank of America, and Citifinancial are pretty stable. While Chase reported a loss this quarter, they still beat Wall Street expectations and a large part of their loss had a lot to do with buying Bear Stearns and taking on the employees. They’ll probably recoup that in the next quarter. In terms of credit unions, that’s a more difficult aspect for me to just list as most credit unions aren’t national. I can tell you the ones in Texas that are doing well; however, that may not help many of you guys. You’ll have to do a little research on your own for those.
So to recap, get thee to an FDIC or NCUA insured financial institution – if you’re not already – and make sure you’re diversified if you can’t get the accounts styled to increase your insurance. For those of you with credit unions, please don’t feel like you must rush out and move your money to a bank. Banks will tell you that because it’s a competition thing between the two. It’s an unfair assessment for reasons I’ve listed above. Finally, pay attention to the areas that your financial institution focuses on – for example, subprime lending. If a bank or credit union are heavy in one specific area and not well balanced, they are open to a fair amount of risk – which means you are too.
Does anyone have questions about their situation? It’s important to me that everyone is protected, so feel free to let me know. If you’re not comfortable with leaving a comment, send us an email and I’ll get back to you privately.
But, as a whole, let’s discuss this. Are you pretty comfortable with your financial institution’s strength? What about their areas of saturation?
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how will i know my credit union’s portfolio
Hi Sanja,
The best way is to look through your credit union’s financial reports and attend any meetings they have. As a shareholder, you’re part owner and have access to all the information. If you’re not sure, ask someone. Most of the tellers may not know the answer, but a manager might – or at the very least, they can get you the information.
Is Westex Federal Credit Union in Lubbock, TX doing well? Or, should I consider moving my money?
@ Matos – Bankrate.com gives your credit union four stars and a 2 for the CAEL (Capitalization, Asset quality, Earnings, and Liquidity). Five stars is the best rating for Bankrate.com and a 1 is the best rating for the CAEL. You look like you’re in a good position. I would recommend that if you keep more than $100,000 in your accounts that you meet with your banker to see about making sure your accounts are covered NCUA insurance-wise, just in case. However, other than that, the company appears to be stable from what I can discern of their public records. Let me know if you have any other questions.
I’m wondering if Wings Financial Credit Union in MN, Minnesota is doing well? I have no investments with the bank, but I do have about $10,000 in a savings account & standard checking account. Is my money safe?
@ Kim – According to bankrate.com, your credit union has been given 4 stars and a 2 for the CAEL, so it should be in good shape. In terms of your money, you are insured up to $100,000 per account styling, so you are covered in the event that your credit union falls under. I don’t believe you are at risk for that at this time; however, I have not looked into the public financial records. You can look into that further if you wish, but the CAEL rating basically tells me that your credit union has a balanced portfolio and there’s not a lot of high risk at all.
Hi Kristy,
Thank you for getting back to me so soon.
I really appreciate you checking into & answering my question for me. You helped ease my mind quite a bit.
Thanks so much for all your help.
Bye, Kim
@ Kim – You’re very welcome and I’m glad I could help you! Best of luck!
I am with Pawtucket credit union and wondering how they rate.They are ncua insured but Ido not know if they are diversified or involved heavly in subprime.
Thank You
Jon
@ Jon – Bankrate.com has Pawtucket at 3 stars. They also have a financial statement to look at as well. Your CU actually looks pretty good. It’s mid-range on capital, decent profitability, and plenty of liquidity (which is the problem with most banks failing right now). From what I can see, your CU isn’t in the sub prime mess so you should be fine. NCUA also bumped up their insurance coverage when the FDIC did, so in that respect you’d be covered if they did fail. Regardless, the CU looks pretty healthy from their last financial statement.
I am at Camino FCU in Montebello Ca, I tried to look for them in bankrate.com, but to no avail. Any luck finding them?
TIm,
Camino FCU was listed on Bankrate…http://www.bankrate.com/brm/safesound/cumm.asp?fedid=2000004633.
They’re a 4 star which is good. They have quite a large number of assets and deposits on hand with minimal losses. Now, I didn’t go through their financial statement, but you may want to glance through and see if they had anything in the subprime mess. By their indicators, if they did, it wasn’t much. It still seems to be doing quite well and looks like they made money. They’re loss reserve capital is well above average, too!
Thanks Kristy. Also, they have different accounts where the NCUA can cover up to $1.5 million. Seems kind of high. It’s single and joint account combined. Also, I recruited members from IndyMac to join my C.U. and I was threatened with arrest. I was later given the O.K. to pass out the application, and the guy who threatened me, asked for an application. I’m going to Wells Fargo, B of A and Washington Mutual too, to recruit members. I quote liberal talk show host Thom Hartmann and explain to the potential customers about the: Glass Stegall Act and Grhamm Leech Bliley Act. Boy, there are some, no, a lot of uninformed people